[CivicAccess-discuss] opinion paper: scraped postalcode --> edid's legal

Tue Oct 14 14:22:45 EDT 2008

what does atol stand for?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Jennifer Bell <jenniferlianne at yahoo.ca>wrote:

> You must file an AtoI as either a private citizen, or as a Canadian
> corporation (this includes non-profit corporations).   Civic Access would
> need legal status before it could file an AtoI.
>
> It wwhaould be an interesting precendent for them to release something
> under AtoI that a public-facing body charges for.
>
> Jennifer
>
> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] opinion paper: scraped postalcode -->
> edid's legal
> > To: jenniferlianne at yahoo.ca, "civicaccess discuss" <
> civicaccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca>
> > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 2:11 PM
> > hmm!  We were provided with advice that we may be able to
> > get the postal
> > code file from elections canada through an ATIP request.
> > we were also
> > provided with an offer of assistance by an expert in this
> > area to review our
> > request and provided with tips on how to follow-up.  I will
> > probably start
> > to work on such a request, any one wanna help?  Should we
> > make it a
> > CivicAccess.ca request or an individual citizens's
> > request?
> >
> > Also, Michael Geist is a member of CivicAccess and is
> > considered as one of
> > the founders. (see http://civicaccess.ca/wiki/founders)
> > CIPPIC has also
> > provided legal advice to community wireless groups,
> > particularly ogWiFi and
> > assisted with the drafting of a hotspot user agreement as
> > well as
> > incorporation documents that have been shared with groups
> > in canada.  I
> > think it might be interesting for civicaccess.ca to come up
> > with a few
> > strategic questions we would like a legal opinion on and
> > see if they can
> > help us out with a response and a course of action.  CIPPIC
> > is really busy
> > but sometimes they have law students and interns looking
> > for projects.
> >
> > We do not live in cool montreal :( but we can do some of
> > the boring
> > institutional work that can prove useful to civicaccess.ca.
> >
> > Ciao
> > t
> >
> > On Tum!e, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Jennifer Bell
> > <jenniferlianne at yahoo.ca>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, it's not 100% black and white.
> > Having seen the paper (dated
> > > April, 2005, wow!), the summary is basically:
> > 'The legal status is unclear,
> > > but you're probably OK.'  The argument partly
> > hinges on whether the scraped
> > > data set is 'original', which is admitted to
> > be a subjective call.
> > >
> > > However, here is a very, very intriguing quote,
> > relevent to most here:
> > >
> > > 'Your activities appear to fall within a
> > recognized "gap" in Canadian
> > > copyright law with respect to unoriginal compilations
> > of data. Specialized
> > > database legislation in other jurisdictions might
> > capture this sort of
> > > activity. In Canada, provided no other tortuous
> > conduct (such as a trespass
> > > to chattels) accompanies your activities, such a
> > taking is lawful.'
> > >
> > > I would post the letter, but it's a private
> > correspondance between the
> > > legal clinic and the sender, and I don't yet have
> > permission.
> > >
> > > The legal clinic was organized by the CIPPIC group at
> > the Ottawa U law
> > > faculty, which seems like an excellent resource for
> > you folks who are
> > > wondering about whether copies of particular
> > scientific data sets are legal
> > > or not.
> > >
> > > Jennifer
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Daniel Haran
> > <chebuctonian at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Daniel Haran <chebuctonian at gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] opinion paper:
> > scraped postalcode -->
> > > edid's legal
> > > > To: jenniferlianne at yahoo.ca, "civicaccess
> > discuss" <
> > > civicaccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca>
> > > > Received: Friday, October 10, 2008, 3:07 PM
> > > > Any chance they can merge back into this file? :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://github.com/danielharan/canadian-postal-code-to-electoral-districts/tree/master
> > > >
> > > > Extracting that data from downloaded pages took
> > far longer
> > > > than
> > > > expected, and there is data missing. Sanity
> > checks and
> > > > contributions
> > > > would be welcome.
> > > >
> > > > d.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Jennifer Bell
> > > > <jenniferlianne at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've just gotten an email from someone
> > with a
> > > > scraped (incomplete) postal code -->
> > edid's data set.
> > > >  He's had an opinion paper written by an
> > Ottawa U legal
> > > > clinic that his data set is free of any
> > legal/copyright
> > > > issues.  The data set is currently being used by
> > a couple of
> > > > non-profits.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will post more info when I get it.
> > Hopefully, the
> > > > person who told me this will join the list
> > himself.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jennifer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > --
> > Tracey P. Lauriault
> > 613-234-2805
> > https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
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