[CivicAccess-discuss] Fwd: DataBC (Beta) is now live. COMMERCIAL re-use

[David Eaves]

Hear, hear Gerard.

The openness of app developers is not what is under debate here. They 
are not a public asset - the data they are using is, as long as it is 
shared openly, by governments, I could care less what the users do with 
it (as long as it is legal) or what model (business, non-profit, open or 
closed) they adopt.

Anything that veers into a debate of that kind makes me very nervous.



On 11-07-19 11:10 AM, Content Research wrote:
>
> Dear Tracey,
>
> your wrote:
>
> Even apps developers are closing their apps and selling them with open 
> data inside them, hardly in keeping with the ideas of openness
>
> (we all bear in mind that PSI re-use and OGD do constitute different 
> topics. But anyway, there are interrelated to a certain extent).
>
> When the European Commission in 1987 and later in 2000 started to push 
> open data,  they had the following telos in mind:
>
> a.Jobs in the ICT and telecom sector did already stagnate, and no 
> further jobs were created. Nowadays they even sack employees.
>
> b.Therefore they thought that INSTEAD the CONTENT sector might great 
> new jobs -- and primarily LOCAL jobs, done by SMEs
>
> c.Therefore, they pushed the PSI re-use to provide them with fresh and 
> cheap raw material.
>
> I listened to Richard Stallman two weeks ago in Vienna. I do share his 
> thoughts. But anyway, somebody has to create new jobs to help us out 
> of the economic crisis.
>
> Kind regards from lazy Europe,
>
> Gerard
>
> *Von:*civicaccess-discuss-bounces at civicaccess.ca 
> [mailto:civicaccess-discuss-bounces at civicaccess.ca] *Im Auftrag von 
> *Tracey P. Lauriault
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. Juli 2011 19:19
> *An:* civicaccess discuss
> *Betreff:* Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Fwd: DataBC (Beta) is now live.
>
> It is good to have home grown, even better to build on international 
> examples to foster greater legal and policy interoperability.
>
> Canadian  'open data' licencing is a balkanized system. What is legal 
> in one town or province/territory conflicts with another or other 
> levels of government and also internationaly.  Even apps developers 
> are closing their apps and selling them with open data inside them, 
> hardly in keeping with the ideas of openness - $ could be made with 
> open source apps using open data - apps licencing and open data licencing.
>
> It would be really great if we could encourage cities, provinces, 
> territories, national departments and agencies to work more closely 
> with CIPPIC and with each other to aim towards some sort of unity in 
> licensing and understandings of what openness really is.  The UK, New 
> Zealand and Australia are examples of this type of CC licensing. They 
> are Westminster systems like Canada's and we could embrace something 
> like this if only we worked together more and worked with the public 
> legal agencies that can best lead us toward better licensing.  Open 
> data citizens, I would argue, need to foreground licencing along with 
> their hackfest ideals & apps development zeal.
>
> I know this is a dry read, and that I have mentioned it on numerous 
> occasions, but worth reading nonetheless - 
> http://www.cippic.ca/open-licensing/.
>
> Cheers
>
> t
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Michael Mulley 
> <michael at michaelmulley.com <mailto:michael at michaelmulley.com>> wrote:
>
> In particular, I read the license the data is available under and
> started grinning. It's based on the UK opengov license, but it's a
> custom BC version, which in this case may be good: a homegrown
> Canadian example, created by a provincial government. David Eaves
> wrote more this morning:
> http://eaves.ca/2011/07/19/province-of-bc-launches-open-data-catalog-what-works/
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pamela MacDonald <pamelamacd at gmail.com 
> <mailto:pamelamacd at gmail.com>>
> Date: Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:51 PM
> Subject: [OpenDataBC] DataBC (Beta) is now live.
> To: OpenDataBC <opendatabc at googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:opendatabc at googlegroups.com>>
>
>
> http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/dbc/index.page?
>
> The Province has launched their new site and included the first
> release of datasets in the link above.
>
> Pamela
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